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Oh, the dreaded nursing school clinical hours.  Former nurse practitioner students have warned you of the time commitment and frustration they may present.  What you may not know is that some nurse practitioner programs will not find physicians or other nurse practitioners to precept you in order to complete your clinical hours.  In many nurse practitioner programs, you will be required to secure your own clinical placement and preceptor to train you.

Finding your own clinical preceptor can be a daunting task, especially if you plan to attend school away from your home.  What are the best ways to locate a clinical preceptor willing to train you in your effort to become a nurse practitioner?

1. Work With Your University

Many nurse practitioner programs will assign you a clinical placement allowing you to complete your NP program with greater ease and less stress.  I highly recommend finding a program that will place you with a preceptor.  If this isn’t an option, don’t despair.  You will be able to secure a clinical placement it may just take a bit of work.  Your first step should be to contact your program director at the school you plan to or are attending.  They likely have a list of area medical providers willing and ready to host students. 

2. Contact Friends and Family

As the nurse practitioner profession becomes more prominent, it is likely your friends or family members know a few NP’s.  Physicians or physician assistants will do as well.  Contact medical providers with whom you have connections and ask them if they would be willing to precept you in your nurse practitioner program.  Make sure you have details from your professors regarding the number of hours and days each week you will need to be with them in their clinic.  Providers will be more willing to precept you if they have a clear picture of the commitment they are making. 

3. Ask Current and Former Students

Your nurse practitioner program will likely require that you complete your clinical hours under the supervision of more than one preceptor.  This is good in that training with multiple providers exposes you to different styles and methods of medical practice.  It does create more work for you in that you need to find multiple preceptors.  Current and former nurse practitioner students will be happy to connect you with their favorite past preceptors.  Getting recommendations for preceptors from NP students will help insure you will have a pleasant clinical experience. 

4. Ask Your Personal Medical Providers

No luck finding a preceptor yet?  Time to get more innovative.  If you have and like your own family physician or NP, consider stopping by his or her office to see if this individual would be willing to become your clinical preceptor.  Even if they are personally hesitant to make the commitment, they may have connections with other providers who enjoy hosting nurse practitioner students.  Visiting the clinics of prospective preceptors is better than calling.  If prospective preceptors see you are well put together and present yourself professionally it will lend you more credibility than a quick chat on the phone.  You will be less forgettable in person. 

5. Search Preceptor Networking Websites

Although rare, online networks connecting nurse practitioner students with clinical preceptors do exist.  Most that I found had few or no postings but one website, ENPNetwork.com, contains multiple postings from physicians and NPs looking to train nurse practitioner students.  You might just get lucky and find a posting in your area. 

Nurse practitioners, how did you find your clinical preceptors in your nurse practitioner program?  Do you have any tips for current and prospective students?

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  • Also, make sure any preceptor is board certified and eligible to be a preceptor. There should be paperwork and background checks through the university to see. If you do clinical training with someone who is not eligible or Falsify hours, you have committed fraud and will never be a NP

  • I am an FNP student at Ball State University. I am seeking an NP in a Family Practice office for Spring 2015. This rotation will require 81.5 hours of clinical time. I am also in desperate need of a Pediatric NP for Summer 2015. This will require 120 hours of clinical time. I am more than willing to travel within the state of Indiana.
    cschreib@iuhealth.org

  • Deosha Williams I am currently in a FNP program and I need a Family Nurse practitioners for my last clinical rotation starting 3/01/15 needing the complete 144 hours and application deadline is December 1, 2014. I am in the Grand Blanc, MI area but I will commute. Help please!! Chancellor317@aol.com

  • I am a AG Primary Care np student looking for a preceptor in the Indianapolis area but willing to travel throughout Indiana. I will be starting clinicals Fall 2015 and will need a total of 504 clinical hours (252 required in primary care, remaining can be in a specialty). Thanks in advance!
    mimatuka@gmail.com

  • Crescent Medical Center says:

    We recognize preceptorship problems faced by the NP students. Therefore, at our facility, we have developed a program for preceptorship for Medical, NP and PA students. There are terms and conditions. We are an academic clinic. Looking for preceptorship? Try your luck calling Crescent Medical Center at 408=356-1111, located in San Jose California.

  • Carol Mitchell says:

    I am currently enrolled in the NP program at Kaplan University (Online) and looking for a preceptor in Broward County but I am willing to travel to Miami Dade and Palm Beach County. I will be starting clinicals early next year with a required 120 hours in internal medicine and later in a speciality care. Thank you for any help that you can provide.
    Carol

  • Carol Mitchell says:

    I am currently enrolled in the FNP program at Kaplan University (online) and I am desperately in need of a preceptor in the Broward county area in Florida. I am willing to travel to Palm Beach and Miami Dade County. I will be starting clinicals early in 2015 and require a total of 120 hours in internal medicine or family practice settings. Any help you can offer to me at this time will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. marva_lyn@yahoo.com Carol

  • I am currently enrolled in the FNP program and I am desperately in need of a preceptor in the Metro Detroit area in Michigan. Will need it for clinicals scheduled for end Apr’15 for 150 hours in Advanced Health Assessment. Please help. Any help that you can provide at this crucial time will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. My email address is jim1774us@gmail.com

  • I am currently enrolled in the FNP program and I am desperately in need of a preceptor in the Sacramento area in California. I am willing to travel 100-150 miles in order to fulfill my clinical hours. I have just two weeks to provide the information of my preceptor to my school Any help that you can give is crucial at this time. I thank you I advance. my e-mail is lasfunt@gmail.com

  • Cindy M Davis says:

    I need a preceptor for my fall semester 2015. I need 14-16 hours a week from late August to early December. I live in Union Grove ,WI. Please contact me @mom26kdz@aol.com if you would be willing to help me.

  • Andrea Wallace says:

    I am an FNP student seeking a Women’s Health Preceptor for mid April 2015. I am located in the Charlotte, NC area but am willing to travel. Please contact me at: wallaca6@aol.com if you are willing or know of someone who would be willing to serve as my preceptor. Thanks.

  • I am in a FNP program and desperately need a clinical preceptor for fall 2015. I need 180 hours. I live in Atlanta, GA. The deadline for me to secure a preceptor is March 15, 2015. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Thank you. E-mail: sleeuab@uab.edu

  • I am 6 weeks away from starting clinicals with Chamberlain College of Nursing in Illinois and I am in desperate need of a preceptor. I have found no one to date, please help!

  • I am currently enrolled in the FNP program at South University (online) and I am looking for a Family Practice preceptor for 60 hours clinical rotation- Advanced Health and Physical Assessment that starts in August, 2015. I live in Orlando, Florida. Thanks.

  • I am currently enrolled in the FNP program at Walden University, and I am looking for a pediatric preceptor for August, 2015 in the Sacramento CA and surrounding areas. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks! calleiro21@gmail.com

  • I am feeling less alone seeing all of these posts for preceptors. I am an FNP student with South University. I am looking for a pediatric site starting July 2015 totaling 180 hours. My email is honeybee1420@aol.com if anyone can help. I live in St. Lucie county but will travel if needed. I am also very experienced with incorporating new EHR, meaningful use, pqrs and many other aspects that private practices are up against in today’s health care industry.

  • I am a FNP student in the KC/Overland Park area. I need my last clinical with a family practice. It will start in 8/15. If anyone can help, please email me at jaymibae@msn.com. Thank you so much

  • Celestine Torres says:

    I am an ANP student at Walden University. I need Preceptors in Internal Medicine, Weight loss clinic, Women’s Health, and Long-term/Assisted Living beginning August 2015. Your help would be greatly appreciated. My email address is ctorres601@bellsouth.net. Thanks so much.

    —-Celestine

  • Patricia Ogude says:

    I am an an NP student at Walden University. I am in need of a preceptor in adult health, starting August 2015. Your help would be highly appreciated. My email address is: pogude@gmail.com

  • Melissa Smith says:

    I am an NP student at Kaplan Univeristy. Starting clinicals in November. Needing to fnd a preceptor for (4) ten week terms in family practice or Adult/Gerontology in the central Florida area. Please help. Nursemel1015@yahoo.com…Melissa Smith, RN, BSN

  • Sandra DeFalco says:

    I am a NP student with Walden University and I am in desperate need of a preceptor for OB/GYN in the South Carolina area. I am willing to pay for someone to precept me. I do have references if you need them. Please contact me at sandyrn65@yahoo.com

  • Tarvett Standley says:

    I am a Columbus State University Student starting the FNP program August 17th. I am in desperate need of a Preceptor for the Fall 2015 semester. The program requirement this semester is 90 hrs. Clinical rounds are to start the 1st week of September. Any help you can offer to me at this time will be very appreciated. You can contact me via email. tarvettstandley@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance.

  • I am currently enrolled in the FNP program at Chamberlain college of Nursing and I am desperately in need of a preceptor in the Atlanta Georgia area. I am willing to travel 50-100 miles in order to fulfill my clinical hours of 125 hrs in eight weeks. I have just two weeks to provide the information to my preceptor at the school. Clinical rotation start February 29th 2016. Any help that you can give at this time would be greatly appreciated. I thank you in advance. My e-mail is dengrace@gmail.com

  • Shanita Rosario says:

    Hello my name is Shanita Rosario. I’m an RN that is currently attending Chamberlain College of Nursing as a Family Nurse Practioner student. I am currently looking for a site to start my clinicals. I am in the Houston area. I am required to complete 125 hours for my last 5 classes in the program. My clinical rotation is due to start in March of 2016. I’m reaching out early at this time so that my practicum coordinator can contact you to make a contract and see what other things I may need to have in place before starting. My email is shanitarosario@yahoo.com. Thanks.

  • Hello there and how are you? I am an NP student (Women’s Health/OB-GYN Program) at the University of Cinncinatti online school and in need of preceptors in Rhode Island and/or Massachusetts. I am willing to travel to Massachusetts for clinical. Please email me at betterme99@yahoo.com. Thanks.

  • I am a NP student looking for a preceptor to complete 180hrs of clinical rotation for OB/GYN starting in 01/2016. I live in the Riverview area of Florida and am willing to travel as far as possible, please help.
    My e-mail simax08@msn.com.

  • Hello I am an FNP student at Chamberlain College of Nursing. I currently reside in Atlanta GA. I am desperately searching for a preceptor to help me complete my clinical rotation. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Email: nukkicola21@gmail.com
    Thank You

  • FNP preceptor needed – Please help!
    Western Michigan (Grand Rapids, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo)

    jxk214@gmail.com

    (I) Advanced Health and Physical Assessment: 1/14/2016 – 3/30/2016
    (II) Adults and Gerontology: TBD
    (III) Women’s Health: TBD
    (IV) Pediatrics: TBD
    (V) Final Project / Primary Care: TBD

  • I am a FNP student looking to do 180 hours of Women’s Health rotation starting Feb 22nd 2016. I live in the Orlando, FL area and willing to travel to complete my hours. If anyone can help I will really appreciate:) jjkamithi@gmail.com

  • Hello! I am an FNP student with Chamberlain College of Nursing looking for 125 hours in primary or urgent care beginning Feb 28th for 8 weeks or less! I am in Fort Myers but able to commute. Appreciate all you do! kjh2483@gmail.com

  • Hello, I am an FNP student at Kaplan University in desperate need of a clinical rotation
    beginning March 02, 2016 in Oklahoma. I am willing to travel. I have clinical needs in the
    following areas:
    185 hrs-Family Practice/Internal Medicine
    185 hrs-Family Practice/Internal Medicine
    120 hrs-Pediatrics
    185 hrs-Family Practice/Internal Medicine/Urgicare/Retail Clinic
    chawthornern@yahoo.com

    Thank you!

  • jennifer williams says:

    Hello
    My name is Jennifer Williams. I’m in the FNP specialty track at Chamberlain School of Nursing. I live in Ohio. My practicum starts in July 2016. I need help finding clinical preceptorship placement by the end of February 2016. I’m looking for a clinical preceptor? Please email me at vaehrn@hotmail.com if interested or know someone that can help.

    Thanks Jennifer Williams

  • Good day,
    My name is Meriam Nwosu and I am currently in the FNP program at Walden University. I live in Maryland. I am in need of a preceptor to complete my hours. My practicum starts in the Fall of 2016. If there is anyone out there who is willing to take a hard working and willing to learn student, please contact me via email: merogenwosu@gmail.com.
    Thanks in advance.
    Meriam.

  • kburke6815@aol.com says:

    Hi,
    I am looking for a FNP site in the Denver, CO area. I will be taking this assessment class in May of 2016. Please let me know, greatly appreciated!
    Thank you
    Kathy B.

  • Hello. I’m an FNP student at South University and am looking for a Pediatric Preceptor starting April 2016 through June 2016. 180 hours total. Southern CT or New Jersey.
    I’m a pediatric RN with 6 years of experience!
    Thank you so much!
    TFeinbergRN@gmail.com

  • Raymond Twum-Barima says:

    I am an FNP student looking for a Preceptor at Vineland New Jersey. I would be taking the Women’s Health class in the Fall and desperately looking for a preceptor.

  • Jana Hardaway says:

    Hello,
    I am currently in the FNP program with Chamberlain College of Nursing. I am looking for preceptors for Family Practice. I am required to complete 125 hours for each clinical rotation, beginning the spring of 2017. If interested please contact me at janahardaway@msn.com. Thanks in advance.

  • Hello, I am preparing for my first FNP clinical rotation that requires 60 hours. I live in the Atlanta area. One of the universities requirement is that my preceptor has to see adult and pediatric patients. I start in August and anyone that would be will to precept me or knows anyone that can accommodate these requirements are greatly appreciated. Please email me at cmm1433@jagmail.southalabama.edu

  • Hi,
    I am in Chamberlain College of Nursing FNP program. I am in need of a preceptor?clinical site starting in November 2016. I live in Southern MD but am willing to travel anywhere in Maryland, D.C., or Arlington/Richmond VA. I have 7 years nursing experience, and a 4.0 GPA. Please contact me at yvette_grijalva@yahoo.com with any suggestions or help.

    Warm regards,

    Yvette

  • Lindsey Michaels says:

    I am looking for a preceptor (nurse practitioner or a physician) working with the pediatric population. I am a student at Frontier Nursing Univeristy, and live in NC (am willing to travel for preceptor). I need approximately 135hrs. Please email me at l.michaelsrn@gmail.com with any advice. Thanks

  • I am currently enrolled in the FNP program through Kaplan University. My last rotation is pediatrics. I need 120 hours. I am in desperate need of a preceptor starting Sept 2016. I live in Ohio. I have been trying to find a preceptor for about 5 months and have had no success. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me at mandyfox00@yahoo.com

  • I have sat home for six months in search of a preceptor. I am a FNP student at Chamberlain College of Nursing and desperately in need of a preceptor for my 3 last classes of 125 hours each. I live in the State of Minnesota, where it is extremely very difficult to find a preceptor. I am willing to travel up to 150 miles. My email address: bigtafuye@yahoo.com

  • Hello. I will be starting Chamberlain’s FNP program in January, and I need to locate a preceptor anywhere in FL. If you can help, I would greatly appreciate it. You can contact me at: hilljohn@ymail.com. Thanks so much.

  • Jennifer Frost says:

    I’m am really needed to find a Pediatrics Office where I can get my 120 Hrs. as a Nurse Practitioner. I’m needing to find someone in my area of Mt Vernon, Ohio or the Columbus, Ohio area. I need to turn my application in by Aug. 31, 2016. I’m attending Kaplan University and can precept from Sept. 21st – Nov. 28th 2016. Have called several offices with no luck can anyone out there please help me out to find an office that would be willing to precept me. Thanks mandyfox00@yahoo.com

  • Monique George says:

    Hello,
    I am a family NP student and am looking for preceptor hours for my women’s health or pediatrics rotation. I am in the middle Tennessee area and in desperate need of a preceptor for the Fall semester. I need 120 hours and my semester is from September 2016-first week of December 2016.
    If you can offer any help at all please email me at monique.burns@vanderbilt.edu
    Thank you so much!!

    Monique George

  • Hello,
    I am looking for a clinical preceptor to finish my clinical hours once I finish with my current preceptor in December. I am enrolled at Chamberlain College of Nursing. I am looking for a FNP in Family Practice from January until the end of April/May. (Kenosha, WI; Gurney, IL, Racine, WI or surrounding areas). Please contact me at juli.degrave@gmail.com. Thank you!

  • Hello,
    I am seeking a FNP in Family Practice for the remainder of my clinical time January until April/May (120 hours/8 weeks). I am a Chamberlain College Student graduating in June 2017. Location Kenosha, WI and surrounding areas. I hold an RN license in both WI and IL. Thank you Kindly. juli.degrave@gmail.com

  • Fil Beth Davis says:

    I am looking for a clinical placement in O’ahu, HI. I live on the island and desperate to find a family practice who sees variety of patients since I will need hours with peds, womens, and adults. Please contact me at f_gatmaitan@hotmail.com. Thank you!

  • My name is Veronica M. and I am presently a Family Nurse Practitioner student at South University. I am looking for preceptors in all areas. I have to complete 5 ten week practicums. I live in Augusta and I am willing to travel. Please call at 478-494-8965

  • I am in the FNP program at Chamberlain and need a family practice preceptor in the Northern Virginia area. in the following section: (I) Advanced Health and Physical Assessment: 1/14/2017 – 3/30/2017
    (II) Adults and Gerontology: TBD
    (III) Women’s Health: TBD
    (IV) Pediatrics: TBD
    (V) Final Project / Primary Care: TBD
    Please contact me at laz4mike@comcast.net.
    Thank you!

  • Hello,

    I am a nursing student for Walden University. I am in the Adult Gerontology program. I am looking for clinical sites. Located in the Dallas, TX area. Please email me if your interested in precepting me or have any suggestions. Thanks..
    kekenajee@yahoo.com

  • Hello guys,
    I am a FNP student. I am desperately in need of a primary care rotation site to be completed under a family nurse practitioner. This is my final rotation, it consist 180 clinical hours over 10 weeks. I am in the New Jersey area. Please help. virlyn_gibson@yahoo.com.

  • Hafsa Abdikadir says:

    I am a FNP student at Maryville University seeking for clinical experience. Rotation requires 80 hours of clinical time. I am taking the Advance Health Assessment class in May/2017. I will have paperwork to be filled out by a clinical preceptor sites in Jan/2017. My email is Sandabol8@yahoo.com

  • I am a FNP student at Maryville University. I am in need of an obgyn preceptor for the fall of 2017. I live in South Carolina in the greenville area, but willing to travel anywhere in SC. Any help or information on a preceptor would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks in advance
    Angela
    garya0918@gmail.com

  • My name is Ashley Hampton. I reside in Melbourne, FL. I am enrolled in a Post-MSN Family Nurse Practitioner Certificate Program with Kaplan University. I am in search of preceptors for my clinical rotations. I have to complete 160 clinical hours/semester. My focus is women’s health from August 2, 2017 – October 10, 2017. My focus is pediatrics from October 18, 2017 – December 23, 2017. My focus is primary care from January 3, 2018 – March 14, 2018. Any recommendations?

    Thanks,

    Ashley
    anricks09@gmail.com

  • I am in desperate need of a preceptor. I am currently enrolled in the NP program at Kaplan University. I need a preceptor in Michigan I am willing to travel throughout the state to complete this. I have to complete 120 hours in 10 weeks. Any assistance is appreciated. Kopdyke1972@yahoo.com.

  • Hi to all. I am in a DNP program. I am in desperate search for Pediatric hours (180) for this summer. Will appreciate any help.willing to pay an honorarium. Thank you

  • Hi My Name is Ann and I am attending an AGNP Program at Kaplan University. I am looking to start clinical rotation on August 2nd for 10 weeks. I need to fulfill 180 clinical hours. I live in Anaheim, CA. Please help me. Contact at chrisyanna2@yahoo.com

  • Tiffany C Penn says:

    Hello, I an FNP student currently attending Chamberlain College of Nursing. I am seeking clinical experiences. I have 5 practicum rotations each requiring 125 hours per rotation. I am taking my advanced health assessment class starting in August of 2017. I had a sight that fell though. I am desperate as I do not want to have to sit out for any classes. I am in the PA/DE area and I hold both a PA and DE Registered nurse license, therefore, I can do my practicum in either state. If anyone is able to help me I can be contacted at tcosby730@aol.com.

  • Eric McClimans says:

    Hello, I an FNP student currently attending Chamberlain College of Nursing. I am seeking a clinical practicum site. I have 5 practicum rotations each requiring 125 hours per rotation. I will need my site location starting in April/May 2018. I have my Ohio Registered nurse license. Please contact me at eric.mcclimans@my.chamberlain.edu

  • Joanna Gullickson says:

    Hi, I am currently looking for a NP preceptor for my spring clinical rotation- starting January 2018. I have a MN RN license and am located in Rochester, MN. Please contact me at 507-398-9259. Thank you

  • Casilda Muniz says:

    Hello, my name is Casilda Muniz. I am looking for a family nurse practitioner for the start of 3 semester of practicum in Women’s Health in January 2017 and around the Miami Dade Area Please I need help to complete 150 hours, contact me at casmun02@yahoo.com

  • I am a final year student looking for PMHNP preceptor – I need 144 hours in 4 areas from Child and Adolescence to Adult and family. I live in Dumfries VA. Please contact me if you can precept me or have idea of any PMHNP who can. my e-mail is lasfunt@gmail.com

  • My daughter is looking for Preceptor for GYN, by November 2018, for 10 weeks. She would appreciate any help. Thank you.

  • Hello prospective PMHNP preceptors,

    I am a student of Walden University enrolled for online PMHNP program. I am looking for the preceptors who can guide me to reach my educational goals. I believe together, we can make the changes in the community. I live in Sacramento California. I don’t mind a bit of traveling. Please contact me, skang307@hotmail.com

  • Tercilia Lafortune says:

    Hello,
    I’m a student at Purdue University. I’m in need of someone to precept on August 14th 2018 for Pediatric and for Primary Care focus starting November 10th, 2018. I’m in Bradenton Florida but willing to travel a bit. kelfrid2002@yahoo.com

  • RACHAEL ANN ANDERSON says:

    Greetings,
    I am an FNP student at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. I am looking for Pediatric clinical placement for Fall 2018 (September-December) 240 hrs and Family Practice Spring 2019 (January – May). Any help would be greatly appreciated! I am willing to travel anywhere in Northern Virginia, Richmond and Hampton Roads area.

  • Shameeka Gray says:

    Hello,

    I am a FNP student at South University in search of a preceptor for a pediatric rotation that begins 8/23/2018 in Georgia to complete 180 hours. Thanks.

  • Hello All
    I am a Family Nurse Pratitioner Student at Walden University. I am currently looking for a Pediatric Preceptor (Maryland, DC, Virginia) for the fall term. This information is due by August 27, 2018. Thanks. I will one day return the favor as I know how challenging it is to find a preceptor. Please contact at olladyt@yahoo.com

    Thanks Yvonne

  • Hi! I live in Houston and am running in to numerous roadblocks with setting up my clinicals in Adult- Gerontology. I am looking for 200 hours for Winter 2018. My e-mail is beth@baychoice.com.

    Thanks in advance

  • Hello PMHNP preceptors,
    I reside in Buford Georgia and I am looking for a preceptor for the month of May-August 2019 for 250 hours .Please contact me if you can or anyone you know who would be willing to help.

  • Kimberly Hendl says:

    Hello, I live in the Asheville NC area and will begin my practicum/preceptor experience starting Late August/early September of 2019, this year. My focus is FNP, so I am looking for primary health care centers, family practice including women’s health and pediatrics. Thank you so much!
    Kim

  • Hello my name is Christina, a FNP student, looking for a NP preceptor in Jacksonville Florida area. Any help would be greatly appreciated

  • Lorri C Rostetter says:

    Hello! My name is Lorri Rostetter. I’m in the DNP program with a focus in family practice. I live in the Wichita, KS area, and need a primary care clinic preceptor for 40 hours from June 17-28, 2019. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! My email is cathlab4me@cox.net

  • Yelena Pocitovii says:

    Hello,
    I am a student at Chamberlain in the FNP program. I am looking for Family and Pediatrics preceptors for following sessions: July/August and September/October in nearby areas in Asheville, NC. I appreciate you taking your time to read this and hope you will be able to open to this request. God bless you. Please contact me: lenchik_rn@live.com

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